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Digest 533, 22 October 2004

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

     1. Re: vocoder request
          From: "Ricardo Rivera" <rysrivera@ahora.net>
     2. What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>
     3. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
     4. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>
     5. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>
     6. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>
     7. RE: vocoder request
          From: ahorton <ahorton@vt.edu>
     8. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>
     9. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    10. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>
    11. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    12. Re: Re: Ion oscillators themselves out of phase with each other too? HERE'S PROOF!
          From: "Rob Lucas" <roblucas1979@yahoo.co.uk>
    13. Re: Re: Analog and VA "imperfections"
          From: "Rob Lucas" <roblucas1979@yahoo.co.uk>
    14. Re: Analog and VA "imperfections"
          From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
    15. Re: vocoder request
          From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
    16. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
    17. Re: vocoder request
          From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
    18. Re: vocoder request
          From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
    19. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>
    20. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>
    21. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Mark" <slideguit220@hotmail.com>


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Message: 1

  Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:26:59 -0800
  From: "Ricardo Rivera" <rysrivera@ahora.net>

Subject: Re: vocoder request

I do have a request myself!!!!

I want to have a patch that will alter my miked voice up or down in pitch depending on the key I press on the keyboard.

The one on the preset does a similar effect but there's a voice generated along the human voice, don't want that. Also the human voice(my voice miked) doesn't sound clear, it is too altered.

I have to say that I have NO experience with vocoders and the other day tried to make something useful, but didn't even got close!

If anybody can make such patch let me know!!!

Thanks RR


 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Dale Kay 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups. com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:23 PM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] vocoder request


 I manage to develop a nice head ache this evening... many factors... ;-)
 My request is, has anyone manage to make decent vocoder patches for the ION? One in particular is the Cylon voice. 
 The HY-10 headset is a good match for the ION. It has a double aa battery feed preamp, a level control for your ear phones (stereo/mono), belt control and adjustable high quality mike. I borrowed it from my wife... ;-) I was able to use a xlr to 1/4 with it due to it's pre-amp fine.
 Using the ms2000 as a reference for those who have on, the level control for it in the mic not line, is half way. Mike capsule have foam so it's about 1/8 inch from mouth.
 For the ION, I adjust most of the level control towards max but not as much as I have in the past with a SM-58, 57 and the beta 58 of course was a bit hotter anyway...
 The advantage to me was, I did not hear myself as much as with the open mikes. The ear phones also double as a monitor, you can feed them off the mixer board to hear and adjust the level with the belt control.
 dale
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Message: 2

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:34:31 -0000
  From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>

Subject: What's the most analog sounding VA


OK, just to spark debate (as if there weren't already enough), what is everyone's opinion on the most analog sounding or analog "feeling" VA they've used? My vote would be for the Ion.



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Message: 3

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:55:58 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

also called trolling... ;-)

dale

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Dan 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:34 AM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] What's the most analog sounding VA


 OK, just to spark debate (as if there weren't already enough), what 
 is everyone's opinion on the most analog sounding or 
 analog "feeling" VA they've used?  My vote would be for the Ion.

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Message: 4

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:02:47 -0000
  From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


A nice thing about the ION is that it can make nice digital sounds as well. The folks who put the factory sounds in the ION strived for analog emulation for the most part. But try building some of your own sounds with FM, formant filters, distortion, etc.; you can make some sounds analog boards never came close to.

Have fun, make music, Jimbo

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote: > > OK, just to spark debate (as if there weren't already enough), what > is everyone's opinion on the most analog sounding or > analog "feeling" VA they've used? My vote would be for the Ion.



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Message: 5

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:03:29 -0000
  From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


A nice thing about the ION is that it can make nice digital sounds as well. The folks who put the factory sounds in the ION strived for analog emulation for the most part. But try building some of your own sounds with FM, formant filters, distortion, etc.; you can make some sounds analog boards never came close to.

Have fun, make music, Jimbo

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote: > > OK, just to spark debate (as if there weren't already enough), what > is everyone's opinion on the most analog sounding or > analog "feeling" VA they've used? My vote would be for the Ion.



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Message: 6

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:27:30 -0700
  From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

On 21/10/04 11:34 AM, "Dan" wrote:

> OK, just to spark debate (as if there weren't already enough), what > is everyone's opinion on the most analog sounding or > analog "feeling" VA they've used? My vote would be for the Ion. > > the 'best' *pure* analogue emulator is the ion, but ask it to do anything else & it falls far behind the waldorf q & virus series.

}:-)


email :

 moose@pigpendigital.com

music sites :

 http://www.pigpendigital.com
 http://www.alaskahighway.com
 http://www.mishikawa.com


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Message: 7

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:50:06 -0400
  From: ahorton <ahorton@vt.edu>

Subject: RE: vocoder request

>I do have a request myself!!!! > >I want to have a patch that will alter my miked voice up or down in pitch depending on the key I press on the keyboard. > >The one on the preset does a similar effect but there's a voice generated along the human voice, don't want that. Also the human voice(my voice miked) doesn't sound clear, it is too altered. > >I have to say that I have NO experience with vocoders and the other day tried to make something useful, but didn't even got close! > >If anybody can make such patch let me know!!!


That's what auto-tune does, not a vocoder. A vocoder inherently involves two sources - your voice, and a synth tone.

andrew


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Message: 8

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:53:48 -0000
  From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


> also called trolling... ;-)

I was curious about what synths other than the Ion would be mentioned (and I'd be happy to see the Ion mentioned too). I was guessing that the names Virus and MS2000 would come up though.




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Message: 9

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:06:01 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

oh yea... they should... adding to that I see you a MS2k and my Triton Extreme with Moss card. ;-)

Did you want to stick to hardware synths or venture into the software variety? Seeing it's all in the program anyway in the ION... ;-)

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Dan 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:53 PM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


 > also called trolling... ;-)
 I was curious about what synths other than the Ion would be 
 mentioned (and I'd be happy to see the Ion mentioned too).  I was 
 guessing that the names Virus and MS2000 would come up though.

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Message: 10

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:33:53 -0000
  From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


> Did you want to stick to hardware synths or venture into the software variety? Seeing it's all in the program anyway in the ION... ;-)

I'd open it up to software too - I've heard that there's a Moog Modular softsynth out there that sounds incredibly good.



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Message: 11

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:53:05 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

yea Arturia MMV and lets not forget the CS-80 they have too. I am going to see what else gets posted before I do a laundry list... ;-)

The mmv just got updated. They added a whole slew of new goodies. What is cool is the update is it's own stand alone program as well, such that it does not replace the old one or stop you from using it at the same time. It is like having 2 moogs at once... if you use a clever program called midi yoke or route your midi between the two, it is possible to sequence each off the other or in unison.

Arturia took a lot of effort to make them sound very real. The give away is when you set it to poly xth degree and play that way. Then you know it's not mono... poly in most cases is limited to your system.

The CS-80 is very close to actual samples I heard and have. Good tool...

dale

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Dan 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:33 PM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


 > Did you want to stick to hardware synths or venture into the 
 software variety? Seeing it's all in the program anyway in the 
 ION... ;-)
 I'd open it up to software too - I've heard that there's a Moog 
 Modular softsynth out there that sounds incredibly good.



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Message: 12

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:53:31 +0100
  From: "Rob Lucas" <roblucas1979@yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Re: Ion oscillators themselves out of phase with each other too? HERE'S PROOF!

Yeah, again, it's a free running oscillator phenomenon, and will happen on an analogue, which alesis have tried to emulate. I noticed the effect described, and did some experimenting. It doesn't happen when you first turn on your ion when it's set to the default patch, then just increase the volume of osc 2. This makes sense, All the oscillators are starting from 0 phase at exactly the same time as you turn on the ion, so will be perfectly in phase (Though not necessarily so between voices due to slight clocking differences that enevitably occur between different microprocessor chips, despite being the same model). If you detune osc 2, then put it back in tune with 1, you'll hear the effect described. Again, makes sense, if you seperate the frequencies of 2 oscillators, then put them back to the same, chances are, unless you're lucky, the oscillators will be out of phase. The pattern described may just be the ion swapping between voices, as mentioned, most polysynths will cycle through voices, even in mono mode, and not necessarily through all the voices. Maybe the ion only cycles between the fist 2 voices, unless the others are needed. Anyway, as soon as you press the sync button, the phenomenon disappears until you start detuning oscillators again. Again, makes sense, two out of phase oscillators have just been locked back into phase, and until their relative frequency is moved for a period of time, they'll stay in phase.

There are loads of weird quirks and imperfections in analogue synths, and the designers of the ion used an utterly overpowered hardware implementation in order to try to get some of these imperfections in a VA. Maybe you would be happier with a more digital sounding VA, which doesn't try as hard to emulate these imperfections

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Miles Bader 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:58 AM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: Ion oscillators themselves out of phase with each other too? HERE'S PROOF!


 "Eric Crudup" <ericcrudup@msn.com> writes:
 > That actually doesn't really make sense to me given the 
 > ion's 8 voice architecture. It seems like either it would have to be 
 > random, or 8 voice pattern.


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Message: 13

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:59:42 +0100
  From: "Rob Lucas" <roblucas1979@yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Re: Analog and VA "imperfections"

So I read in an analogue synth book, the most stable oscillators were in a modular system, can't remember the manufacturer. The Oscillator circuits were encased in sealed units and naturally run at temperatures many times normal circuit operating temperatures. These self heating oscillator circuits meant that the relatively small changes in ambient temperature that affect normal oscillators did very little to the internal high temperature of the circuits, so they stayed in tune no matter.

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: uralmoto2001 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:13 AM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: Analog and VA "imperfections"


 The later minimoogs did stay in tune a little better. To stabilize 
 the temperature sensitive transistors responsible for each oscs freq, 
 they surrounded them with other transistors used only as "heaters". 
 Still did drift 
 though.                                                               
                                                                       


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Message: 14

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:22:49 -0000
  From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Analog and VA "imperfections"


The ARP2500 series oscillators were very stable once they were 

tuned. Tuning was difficult because coarse freq knob was continously variable; didn't lock into octaves.

       --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Lucas" 

<roblucas1979@y...> wrote: > So I read in an analogue synth book, the most stable oscillators were in a modular system, can't remember the manufacturer. The Oscillator circuits were encased in sealed units and naturally run at temperatures many times normal circuit operating temperatures. These self heating oscillator circuits meant that the relatively small changes in ambient temperature that affect normal oscillators did very little to the internal high temperature of the circuits, so they stayed in tune no matter. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: uralmoto2001 > To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:13 AM > Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: Analog and VA "imperfections" > > > > The later minimoogs did stay in tune a little better. To stabilize > the temperature sensitive transistors responsible for each oscs freq, > they surrounded them with other transistors used only as "heaters". > Still did drift > though.



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Message: 15

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:48:42 -0000
  From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: vocoder request


You might get a similar sound if there was a way to use a mic'd audio in signal in the FM algorithms. Probably not too intelligible though. Right now Ion's FM is limited to the 3 osc's. Would be cool to experiment with audio in signal and FM. I used to get great "robot talking" patches out of ARP's balanced modulator, but that was 29yrs ago and I didn't write a patchsheet for that sound; got it on a reel of tape though, but nothing to play tape on...

   --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Kay" <admin@k...> wrote: 

> ...My request is, has anyone manage to make decent vocoder patches for the ION? One in particular is the Cylon voice...



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Message: 16

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:59:27 +0900
  From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

moose <moose@pigpendigital.com> writes: > the 'best' *pure* analogue emulator is the ion, but ask it to do anything > else & it falls far behind the waldorf q & virus series.

Luckily that includes price... :-)

-Miles -- `Life is a boundless sea of bitterness'


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Message: 17

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:02:59 +0900
  From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>

Subject: Re: vocoder request

"uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com> writes: > You might get a similar sound if there was a way to use a mic'd audio > in signal in the FM algorithms. Probably not too intelligible though. > Right now Ion's FM is limited to the 3 osc's.

Well, there are 2 (and 1/2) LFOs which go fast enough to participate, not to mention the loopable envelopes...

Anyone know the sample-rate limitations (if any) imposed by going though the mod-matrix on the Ion (as opposed to the hardwired oscillator FM, which presumably operates at "full bandwidth")?

-Miles -- Any man who is a triangle, has thee right, when in Cartesian Space, to have angles, which when summed, come to know more, nor no less, than nine score degrees, should he so wish. [TEMPLE OV THEE LEMUR]


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Message: 18

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:01:22 -0000
  From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: vocoder request


Yes, that's true. I am thinking of the hardwired FM algorithms (3->2-

>1, 3->1<-2, 2->1); being able to substitute an audio in signal (mic) in place of one of the osc's, so audio in can be used as a modulator or carrier. Not sure what the results would be; I never could wrap my brain around DX-7 programming...

           --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader 

<miles@g...> wrote:

> "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@y...> writes: > >... Right now Ion's FM is limited to the 3 osc's... > > Well, there are 2 (and 1/2) LFOs which go fast enough to participate, > not to mention the loopable envelopes...




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Message: 19

  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:16:55 -0700
  From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

On 21/10/04 5:59 PM, "Miles Bader" <wrote:

> moose <moose@pigpendigital.com> writes: >> > the 'best' *pure* analogue emulator is the ion, but ask it to do anything >> > else & it falls far behind the waldorf q & virus series. > > Luckily that includes price... :-) > > -Miles

very true. there's no argument that the ion is a great bang-for-buck value synth, but my ion would be sold before my q... in fact i could probably live without every other synth i have apart from my yellow q.

}:-)


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 http://www.pigpendigital.com
 http://www.alaskahighway.com
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Message: 20

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:52:11 -0000
  From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


It sounds great, untill it crashes your computer.

Peace, Jimbo

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote: > > > Did you want to stick to hardware synths or venture into the > software variety? Seeing it's all in the program anyway in the > ION... ;-) > > I'd open it up to software too - I've heard that there's a Moog > Modular softsynth out there that sounds incredibly good.



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Message: 21

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:23:56 -0000
  From: "Mark" <slideguit220@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


I agree with Moose. The Q can accomplish quite a lot. It's my favorite synth. I love the Ion, but for what I do the Q encompasses so much more.

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, moose <moose@p...> wrote: > On 21/10/04 5:59 PM, "Miles Bader" <wrote: > > > moose <moose@p...> writes: > >> > the 'best' *pure* analogue emulator is the ion, but ask it to do anything > >> > else & it falls far behind the waldorf q & virus series. > > > > Luckily that includes price... :-) > > > > -Miles > > very true. there's no argument that the ion is a great bang-for- buck value > synth, but my ion would be sold before my q... in fact i could probably > live without every other synth i have apart from my yellow q. > > }:-) > > > email : > moose@p... > > music sites : > http://www.pigpendigital.com > http://www.alaskahighway.com > http://www.mishikawa.com

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Digest 534, 23 October 2004

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

     1. Re: vocoder request
          From: "Ricardo Rivera" <rysrivera@ahora.net>
     2. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>
     3. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Ricardo Rivera" <rysrivera@ahora.net>
     4. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>
     5. Re: vocoder request
          From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
     6. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>
     7. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "poly4tune" <fortune@flomo-art.de>
     8. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: Brian <boffermann@comcast.net>
     9. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    10. piano patches for the ION
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    11. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    12. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>
    13. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    14. Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>
    15. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    16. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>
    17. Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    18. Re: Re: What's the most analogue sounding VA
          From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>
    19. Anyone own both ION and Micron...
          From: "tashmoohi" <tashmoohi@yahoo.com>
    20. Re: Anyone own both ION and Micron...
          From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>
    21. [OT] Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA
          From: "jurij" <jurij.es.a.szakkor@axelero.hu>


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Message: 1

  Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:41:27 -0800
  From: "Ricardo Rivera" <rysrivera@ahora.net>

Subject: Re: vocoder request

Sure!

I understand that it will have to involve 2 signals, just wish to have a more inteligible human voice than the preset "sing coder" in my Micron. Maybe something can be adjusted in this preset to make it sound a bit more defined (the human voice), I don't need it to be pure clean, just a bit more defined, so the audience can clearly understand the words.

I just need to be steered in the right direction!!

Any sugestions are welcome!!!!!

Thanks

Ricardo Rivera

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: ahorton 
 To: alesis-ion ; Ricardo Rivera 
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:50 AM
 Subject: RE: [alesis-ion] vocoder request


 >I do have a request myself!!!!
 >
 >I want to have a patch that will alter my miked voice up or down in pitch 
 depending on the key I press on the keyboard.
 >
 >The one on the preset does a similar effect but there's a voice generated 
 along the human voice, don't want that. Also the human voice(my voice miked) 
 doesn't sound clear, it is too altered.
 >
 >I have to say that I have NO experience with vocoders and the other day tried 
 to make something useful, but didn't even got close!
 >
 >If anybody can make such patch let me know!!!


 That's what auto-tune does, not a vocoder. A vocoder inherently involves two 
 sources - your voice, and a synth tone.
 andrew


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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:22:31 -0000
  From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


> I agree with Moose.  The Q can accomplish quite a lot. It's my 

favorite synth. I love the Ion, but for what I do the Q encompasses so much more.

I have a Micro-Q rack that I've just recently started to play around with and I can already tell that it's a synth that I don't plan to ever sell. I think I might have mentioned before that the Ion and the Q/Micro-Q seem to be quite a VA combination.

I've been trying to decide whether I also want a Microwave II or whether the waveforms from the Micro-Q are enough (I realize they can't be re-arranged as they can in the Microwaves though).

I have an interview with Wolfam Franke from Waldorf and he mentions that the Micro-Q's and Q's filters are based on a real (tangible) model and not just on a coded modeling. I'm not sure how that works though.




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Message: 3

  Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:13:00 -0800
  From: "Ricardo Rivera" <rysrivera@ahora.net>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

I have had really bad experiences depending on computers for audio or video aplications.

I still have a Roland U-8 hardware/software digital recorder with guitar effects, mastering and multiple other effects, really nice. Came with Cakewalk and the problem is always the computer being so unstable. It freezes, it crashes, it does the hiccups, the jumps, the out of sync problems, the no mouse response tic's, etc...etc..etc...

I also used PC's to process video and converting to MPEG, many more problems on and off. For all that, I will never rely on PC's for video or sound other than simple tasks. And by the way, I do have plenty of PC power, lots of ram, HD, and processor speed with Win XP.

My Roland U-8 is now useless, because it doesn't run on XP even with the driver update for XP which only make 1/2 of it work. My old midi port also is useless!!! had to buy a new model, they work on Win 98.

I do have Fruity Loops and it also have problems with reproduction of many compositions.

I gave up on computers for this tasks, now I have all hardware equipment and have had no problems so far.

Computers are unstable and unpredictable.I did spend lots of money and lost most of it because it was PC based.


PLEASE NOTE: This is my personal experience and in no way reflect everybodys opinion!!!!!!!

If it works for you GREAT!! but the above was my personal experience.

RR



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 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:52 PM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


 It sounds great, untill it crashes your computer.
 Peace,
 Jimbo
 --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
 > 
 > > Did you want to stick to hardware synths or venture into the 
 > software variety? Seeing it's all in the program anyway in the 
 > ION... ;-)
 > 
 > I'd open it up to software too - I've heard that there's a Moog 
 > Modular softsynth out there that sounds incredibly good.



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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:17:54 -0700
  From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

On 22/10/04 6:22 AM, "Dan" wrote:

> > I've been trying to decide whether I also want a Microwave II or > whether the waveforms from the Micro-Q are enough (I realize they > can't be re-arranged as they can in the Microwaves though). > the mw & q series are vastly different beasts, though they occasionally cover the same ground. if you want a more aggressive sound then get a mw...

> > I have an interview with Wolfam Franke from Waldorf and he mentions > that the Micro-Q's and Q's filters are based on a real (tangible) > model and not just on a coded modeling. I'm not sure how that works > though. > the q+ had 16 *real* analogue filters inside, the same ones as found in the afb. not sure what wolf-man was talking about as the mq & normal q are va's... software is software

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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:40:56 -0000
  From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: vocoder request


Hit the effects edit button; all vocoder parameters are there. Try increasing sibilance boost setting. This should improve intelligibility somewhat. A lower decay setting may also help.

    --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Ricardo Rivera" 

<rysrivera@a...> wrote: > Sure! > > I understand that it will have to involve 2 signals, just wish to have a more inteligible human voice than the preset "sing coder" in my Micron. Maybe something can be adjusted in this preset to make it sound a bit more defined (the human voice), I don't need it to be pure clean, just a bit more defined, so the audience can clearly understand the words. > > I just need to be steered in the right direction!! > > Any sugestions are welcome!!!!! > > Thanks > > Ricardo Rivera



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Message: 6

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:17:39 -0000
  From: "JIMBO" <jimbodeluxe@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


I have the Waldorf Microwave XT 30 voice rack, and I love it. Wavetable synthesis can sound very different from analog modeling, because you are using wavetables, not the normal sine, square, pulse and sawtooth waves found in traditional synthesizers. The sounds are beautiful, many Tangerine Dream albums feature the early PPG which this instrument is based on.

Sorry for being so off the ION topic, but this group has evolved into a basic synth discussion forum, with the occasional ION question or comment.

Peace, Jimbo

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote: > > > I agree with Moose. The Q can accomplish quite a lot. It's my > favorite synth. I love the Ion, but for what I do the Q encompasses > so much more. > > I have a Micro-Q rack that I've just recently started to play around > with and I can already tell that it's a synth that I don't plan to > ever sell. I think I might have mentioned before that the Ion and > the Q/Micro-Q seem to be quite a VA combination. > > I've been trying to decide whether I also want a Microwave II or > whether the waveforms from the Micro-Q are enough (I realize they > can't be re-arranged as they can in the Microwaves though). > > I have an interview with Wolfam Franke from Waldorf and he mentions > that the Micro-Q's and Q's filters are based on a real (tangible) > model and not just on a coded modeling. I'm not sure how that works > though.



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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:21:29 -0000
  From: "poly4tune" <fortune@flomo-art.de>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, moose <moose@p...> wrote: > On 22/10/04 6:22 AM, "Dan" wrote: > > not sure what wolf-man was talking about as the mq & normal q are > va's... software is software > basically You are right, but there is a difference how it is done: a) built a filter from theoretical models (math. functions etc.) or b) "re-modelling" a complete electronic circuit of a known filter by means of DSP-technology like Creamware did with MiniMax etc. on Noah and Scope.



Cheers Fortune

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Message: 8

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:28:13 -0500
  From: Brian <boffermann@comcast.net>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

Since someone mentioned the Korg MS2000 and Moss Board; the Korg Oasys certainly qualifies. This PCI synth/effect card has excellent Minimoog and Prophet-5 emulation, serviceable 303 emulation, and comes with great physical models of organs, guitars, woodwinds, horns, etc... Third party plugins add exotic physical models, DX7II FM clones, Juno, modular synths. Along with the great synthesis, the Oasys also has fabulous effect processing, very flexible midi modulation, alternate tuning capability, and digital and analog i/o. All processing is 24bit, 44.1 or 48KHz.

Interesting to compare with ION: 480Mips card 1x80MHz Motorola 56301 (control processor) 4x100MHz Motorola 56303 DSP

  [each of these has 384k SRAM and 6MB DRAM -the Oasys will
  crush the puny ION in the reverb/delay fx area ;-) ]

Unfortunately, the Oasys is discontinued and only works on Mac OS 9 and Windows 98/ME/SE boxes :-\ You can find them for ~$300-400 used... if you have an old PC lying around, the Oasys makes a worthy studio addition--and a great FX box for the Ion!

main info at:

  http://www.korg.com/oasyspci.htm

mp3 sound demos:

  http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_synth_demos.htm
  http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_effects_demos.htm

third party modules of note:

  http://www.hvsynthdesign.com/korgframeset.htm
  http://www.danphillips.com/oasys.htm

all third party modules:

  http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_sounds_3rd_party.htm


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Message: 9

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:11:03 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

the vst ppg is very good at simulating the real ppg... I use it... my band member uses it... he also has a xt which you will hear on many of the tracks we do...

dale

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: JIMBO 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:17 AM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


 I have the Waldorf Microwave XT 30 voice rack, and I love it.  
 Wavetable synthesis can sound very different from analog modeling, 
 because you are using wavetables, not the normal sine, square, pulse 
 and sawtooth waves found in traditional synthesizers.  The sounds 
 are beautiful, many Tangerine Dream albums feature the early PPG 
 which this instrument is based on.
 Sorry for being so off the ION topic, but this group has evolved 
 into a basic synth discussion forum, with the occasional ION 
 question or comment.
 Peace,
 Jimbo

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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:14:20 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: piano patches for the ION

Anybody here have Lounge Lizard EP2? If so, then you know the sounds. Roland, Rhodes etc... Have you been able to adjust the ION to produce any of these?

dale

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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:18:59 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

yea good board there is plenty of this type of stuff out there that can no longer be used on a modern OS system but you can put a old OS on one of the latest systems and use it. <referencing my vst farm>

but really it isn't all the power that compares... that is just spin doctoring out of context...

it is the sounds and ease of use that matters... that board is good in both

dale

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Brian 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:28 AM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


 Since someone mentioned the Korg MS2000 and Moss Board; the
 Korg Oasys certainly qualifies.  This PCI synth/effect card
 has excellent Minimoog and Prophet-5 emulation, serviceable
 303 emulation, and comes with great physical models of
 organs, guitars, woodwinds, horns, etc...  Third party
 plugins add exotic physical models, DX7II FM clones, Juno,
 modular synths.  Along with the great synthesis, the
 Oasys also has fabulous effect processing, very flexible
 midi modulation, alternate tuning capability, and digital
 and analog i/o.  All processing is 24bit, 44.1 or 48KHz.
 Interesting to compare with ION:
 480Mips card
 1x80MHz Motorola 56301 (control processor)
 4x100MHz Motorola 56303 DSP
    [each of these has 384k SRAM and 6MB DRAM -the Oasys will
    crush the puny ION in the reverb/delay fx area ;-) ]
 Unfortunately, the Oasys is discontinued and only works on
 Mac OS 9 and Windows 98/ME/SE boxes :-\  You can find them
 for ~$300-400 used... if you have an old PC lying around, the
 Oasys makes a worthy studio addition--and a great FX box
 for the Ion!
 main info at:
    http://www.korg.com/oasyspci.htm
 mp3 sound demos:
    http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_synth_demos.htm
    http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_effects_demos.htm
 third party modules of note:
    http://www.hvsynthdesign.com/korgframeset.htm
    http://www.danphillips.com/oasys.htm
 all third party modules:
    http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_sounds_3rd_party.htm

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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:11:07 -0700
  From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


then theres the virus on the powercore card... i've not heard that yet but been told its very good.

}:-)


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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:36:29 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

Re: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VAwasn't it at NAMM in Jan?

I thought I heard it there... might been at one of the music stores...

dale

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 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA



 then theres the virus on the powercore card...  i've not heard that yet but been told its very good.
 }:-)


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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:24:41 -0000
  From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


>"many Tangerine Dream albums feature the early PPG which this instrument is based on."

I think that it was one of the members of Tangerine Dream that helped finance Wolfgang Palme's venture to create the PPG Wave.

> Sorry for being so off the ION topic, but this group has evolved > into a basic synth discussion forum, with the occasional ION > question or comment.

I did steer this discussion OT and even though this is an Ion forum, today when most synth people are lucky enough to have multiple synths I think it can be fun to compare and contrast the Ion with other synths. (as opposed to say, 20, 25, or 30 years ago where a synth hobbyist might have had a DX7, Prophet 5, or Mini Moog [respectively] but anything more for a hobbyist would have been pretty rare compared to how it is now.)



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Message: 15

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:36:33 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

not sure if they funded but they did add to the patches/presets that are in use today... on the tadream group, many there will tell you what a lousy musician you are if you use presets, including TD being so sad doing this, but if you dig back, you will see they where the ones that made the patch to start with.. that tread makes it's round a few times a year there... dead horse that raises from the dust...

If I was home, I dig up the article that points this out, that TD help make up a great number of the PPG pre-sets... but such it is, this is the ION group... and yes, if it isn't posted that people do compare and contrast the ION to other synths, they are fibbing... ;-)

I don't recall reading that they funded it but was the other way around, they received equipment for the effort. But, it was something I read a while back and just because it was online, published article etc.. does not make it a fact... a reference only and that is the way I meant it here too...

The price to what you can get (bang to the buck ratio) is very good these days. Just look at the ION and Micron.

dale

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
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 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:24 PM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


 >"many Tangerine Dream albums feature the early PPG which this 
 instrument is based on."
 I think that it was one of the members of Tangerine Dream that 
 helped finance Wolfgang Palme's venture to create the PPG Wave.
 > Sorry for being so off the ION topic, but this group has evolved 
 > into a basic synth discussion forum, with the occasional ION 
 > question or comment.
 I did steer this discussion OT and even though this is an Ion forum, 
 today when most synth people are lucky enough to have multiple 
 synths I think it can be fun to compare and contrast the Ion with 
 other synths. (as opposed to say, 20, 25, or 30 years ago where a 
 synth hobbyist might have had a DX7, Prophet 5, or Mini Moog 
 [respectively] but anything more for a hobbyist would have been 
 pretty rare compared to how it is now.) 

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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:44:16 -0700
  From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

On 22/10/04 11:36 AM, "Dale Kay" wrote:

> wasn't it at NAMM in Jan? > > I thought I heard it there... might been at one of the music stores... > > dale > i cant remember, though one of my mates has bought it & loves it...

}:-)


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Message: 17

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:56:20 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

Re: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VAyea, I remember you telling us here about that, your friend.. same groups of posts I was making on the chameleon stuff... If I remember right, it is very flexible.

I want to say I heard it at NAMM this year but I could be wrong. There was a lot of stuff there. I was at their booth for a little bit looking at other things there too or someone's who had a lot of those items. I remember pulling up the specs on it, checking out the COSTs..;-) NAMM was mixed a bit. Various booths had other things there running and so forth, not as pure as I thought it would be but I did enjoy it. Remember the first day I went I breezed right past the mock up of the micron. Got tired of waiting to play with the TE, a kruzweil etc.. had to go back again to try to catch up what I missed. That was when I ran into Alan Parsons on the last day. Now that he has his album out I know why he was in the area he was in... looking at stuff to use in his studio.

dale

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
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 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VA


 On 22/10/04 11:36 AM, "Dale Kay" wrote:


   wasn't it at NAMM in Jan?
    
   I thought I heard it there... might been at one of the music stores...
    
   dale
    
 i cant remember, though one of my mates has bought it & loves it...
 }:-)


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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:30:53 -0700
  From: moose <moose@pigpendigital.com>

Subject: Re: Re: What's the most analogue sounding VA

On 22/10/04 12:24 PM, "Dan" wrote:

> > I did steer this discussion OT and even though this is an Ion forum, > today when most synth people are lucky enough to have multiple > synths I think it can be fun to compare and contrast the Ion with > other synths. > you also have to take in to account what style of music people are wanting to use their VAs for. i write industrial/synth pop stuff and don't use the VAs in my arsenal for their emulation qualities themselves, but each has their own character. saying that though, the ion is the only synth that i use for 100% 'analogue' sounds, everything else being generally weird!

for a rundown of my rig check out

 http://alaskahighway.com/studio

}:-)


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  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:34:29 -0000
  From: "tashmoohi" <tashmoohi@yahoo.com>

Subject: Anyone own both ION and Micron...


I think I'd like to get the Micron and control it with my ION, But I would want either the knobs on the Ion to control the micron simutaniously, or, at the very least, be able to send ION patches to the micron without any fuss. But then I'd have to reverse the MIDI flow in order to utilize the cool arp and seq. features of the Micron. I sure could use a step sequencer (wish they would just put the good stuff on the synth w/the Knobs @#$%!!!) This brings up another question. Assuming both are connected- when voices get maxed-out on the ION- can it steal the next note(s) (9-16) from the micron? I remember seeing two Matrix 6's MIDI'd-up and doing this. Any thoughts?

-Chris



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Message: 20

  Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:15:19 -0700
  From: "Dale Kay" <admin@kay-net.com>

Subject: Re: Anyone own both ION and Micron...

In a closed loop system, in to out, out to in (midi hook up), ION to MICRON... if you have each set to the same channel, they will act as one. there will be no note stealing or sharing...

you can't set the ION and the MICRON yet to do even/odd notes to spread the wealth yet...<note yet, it is possible is Alesis updates the OS for them.. or so we think...

the micron should be able to arp midi out to the ION fine...

If the micron responds to nrpn and the ion is set to send out nrpn, and you know which knob affects the micron, yea you can control it... if you use midi cc# then you need to set them both to act that way... If you have ION at cc# and I am not sure what Micron will do with that info... and vice-versa...

dale

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: tashmoohi 
 To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:34 PM
 Subject: [alesis-ion] Anyone own both ION and Micron...


 I think I'd like to get the Micron and control it with my ION, But I
 would want either the knobs on the Ion to control the micron
 simutaniously, or, at the very least, be able to send ION patches to
 the micron without any fuss. But then I'd have to reverse the MIDI
 flow in order to utilize the cool arp and seq. features of the Micron.
 I sure could use a step sequencer (wish they would just put the good
 stuff on the synth w/the Knobs @#$%!!!)
 This brings up another question. Assuming both are connected- when
 voices get maxed-out on the ION- can it steal the next note(s) (9-16)
 from the micron? I remember seeing two Matrix 6's MIDI'd-up and doing
 this. Any thoughts?
 -Chris

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  Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:03:22 +0200
  From: "jurij" <jurij.es.a.szakkor@axelero.hu>

Subject: [OT] Re: Re: What's the most analog sounding VA

Re: [alesis-ion] Re: What's the most analog sounding VAmoose>> not sure what wolf-man was talking about as the

    >> mq & normal q are va's...  software is software


       he was referring to 'component modelling',
       digital reproduction of real analog circuits/components.
       afaik the q was the first (and perhaps only?)
       real hardware synth featuring this technology.
       korg (cmt = component modelling technology)
       and arturia (tae = true analog emulation)
       offering such technology in their virtual
       instrument products, just to name a few...


       regards,
       jurij.es.a.szakkor


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Digest 535, 24 October 2004

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. micron and midi
           From: "christian" <ckvibes@aol.com>
      2. ion SysEx Librarian v1.20
           From: "paul725716" <P.R.Woodward@BTinternet.com>
      3. Micron: 1st impression pt. 1
           From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
      4. Re: Micron: 1st impression pt. 1
           From: "Greg_Stritmater" <amos_def@amishoutlaws.com>
      5. Re: Micron: 1st impression pt. 1
           From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
      6. 1 more patch
           From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>


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Message: 1         
   Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:55:06 -0000
   From: "christian" <ckvibes@aol.com>
Subject: micron and midi


hello,

i'm new to digital synths, but very familar with analog.   i got the 
micron as a replacement for my ARP axxe, and as a new fun toy.  i 
LOVE how it sounds.  (eventually, it might replace my juno60, but not 
until i mess with the sounds a LOT.)

on a whim, i hooked up the micron to a roland jv-30, (my only other 
synth with midi,) and i can't figure out how to have each keyboard 
play different sounds at the same time, or if it's even possible.   

this is probably a pretty simple midi question, and i'm just missing 
something, or maybe it's not? 

thanks for any help!





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Message: 2         
   Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:48:16 -0000
   From: "paul725716" <P.R.Woodward@BTinternet.com>
Subject: ion SysEx Librarian v1.20


Hello all,

I've uploaded an updated version of the Librarian to the files area.

Dale suggested that I incorporate Midi-ox VB code into the program. 
Unfortunately, the code is in VB6, and my program is in VB5.

However, this got me thinking, and the Librarian now allows you to 
paste a patch into Midi-ox at a user specified memory/bank location 
when sent to the ion.

Another slight modification is that the background colour of the 
output buffer changes to correspond with the bank being saved.

The file Path.dat has now been renamed to Path.ini (rename your 
Path.dat file if you want to keep your current path).

I'm still working on your other suggestions Dale!

All the best,

Paul.





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Message: 3         
   Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:45:20 -0000
   From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Micron: 1st impression pt. 1


Local GC just got in a batch of Microns; boxed units already gone but 
still had a demo unit for me to play with. Sideways sliders instead 
of mod wheels feel weird, but work fine. The 3 assignable knobs have 
less of an "oily resistance" feel when turned, compared to Ion, but 
are bolted to front panel just like Ion knobs. When you turn a knob, 
the screen jumps to the assigned parameter, stays there for a few 
seconds, then goes back to normal display. Would be nice if Ion's 
knobs did this. Quite a few patches have not-too-useful knob 
assignments; FM depth/filter pan/noise level?! Most patches have 
sliders assigned to flt cutoff and vibrato. Key action feels 
basically the same as Ion. There are endless edit pages, but the 
keyboard shortcut system works well and jumps you to the right 
section. The lettering describing each key's shortcut function is too 
small and on the vertical lip of case just above the keys; it should 
be on top of the case where it would be more visible. I tried adding 
delay to a few leads and reverb to a few pads; makes the sound fuller 
and more alive. Found a few excellent sequences that had me stoked; 
if/when Alesis adds step sequencer to Ion it will be most welcome! A 
very nice synth for the price. I'm trying to wait until December and 
buy myself a Christmas present, but it's going to be tough...





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Message: 4         
   Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:22:32 -0000
   From: "Greg_Stritmater" <amos_def@amishoutlaws.com>
Subject: Re: Micron: 1st impression pt. 1


Just picked up a Micron to replace my Ion as my gigging keyboard, and
so far I like it a lot. I'm much happier with the feel of the keyboard
than the Ion. I'm also glad they decided to have the screen
automatically change back after you use a knob, although a little more
delay after you stop using the knob would be nice before it switches
back. I like the keyboard shortcuts to different sound banks and
config screens. I agree with you that the labels for the shortcuts
should be on the top of the case, as they are pretty much useless
where they are now. The reverb from what I've had a chance to play
with is a nice addition.

Has anyone found an easy way to transfer Ion patches to the Micron? I
have some patches that I'm using live that I need to get on the Micron
before I can give it a shot in a gigging situation.

Now I'm much more interested to see if Alesis can get the midi
rollover working as I plan on keeping my Ion for my home studio.

Greg
www.amishoutlaws.com





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Message: 5         
   Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:08:08 -0000
   From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Micron: 1st impression pt. 1


 Try using Midi-Ox to send 1 patch as a test. Someone else said 
individual Ion patches transfer OK but they end up in Micron's "comp" 
category. If you try to transfer a whole bank it might overwrite 
something in Micron and make a mess of things. Search previous Micron 
related messages for more 
info.                                                                 
                                                                      
   --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Greg_Stritmater" 
<amos_def@a...> wrote: 
>... Has anyone found an easy way to transfer Ion patches to the 
Micron? I
> have some patches that I'm using live that I need to get on the 
Micron
> before I can give it a shot in a gigging situation.
> 
> Now I'm much more interested to see if Alesis can get the midi
> rollover working as I plan on keeping my Ion for my home studio.
> 
> Greg
> www.amishoutlaws.com





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Message: 6         
   Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:40:10 -0000
   From: "uralmoto2001" <uralmoto2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: 1 more patch


In my folder in files. "Vecchio Vocale'". Mono vocal lead. m1 
vibrato, m2 port time; pitchwheel a drunk vocalist (or Charlie 
Brown's math teacher). I'm working on a somewhat twisted version 
of "Il Vecchio Castello" (part of "Pictures at an Exibition"), needed 
a vocal lead, and came up with this. Inspired by Tomita's version. 





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